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Honestly, the headline for that article should say "Dan Brown out of ideas but wants new car, what could he do that you suckers would fall for?"

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They do still do novelizations of the movies for kids
No, I was specifically referring to what used to be done for films appealing to younger viewers and adults where there are junior novelizations AND adult novelizations of the same film. I find those more interesting because you would think they would be the same but they're not especially depending on which script they received and how they interpreted things. Heck, the junior novelization for TFA is more gut wrenching than the adult one! TFA was the first time I had seen both novelizations available in a long time...although being published much later was annoying...but not as annoying as Marvel's tactic of only printing half the film in their novelizations.

though I always find it hilarious when the movie is based on a book so the novelization is based on a movie that was based on a book...).
Again, I love these because they often provide insight into the filming process. They're usually off the shooting script or an even earlier one so in the pre-internet era, this was the only way you knew about possible deleted scenes. Then, when these deleted scenes were actual scenes from the book and didn't make the actual film? RAGE

Sometimes, younger readers' editions are an excuse to have a different format or add in notes for educators or parents like suggested discussions and writing activities. Other times, yes, words are changed to make reading easier or it's sanitized. That part's not new at all so I'm not bothered, like being able to choose from Disney Cinderella or the original Brothers Grimm version.

There's another thing...marketing. Did you know that Scholastic and Bloomsbury both came out with ADULT versions of the Harry Potter novels? They were exactly the same but printed in a size more like adult books and with much more boring covers. I've noticed that sometimes these younger reader versions have the same cover but sometimes, there's definitely a marketing aspect to make it more appealing.

Money...I can't remember about Unbroken but Boys on the Boat for younger readers is HUGE. I think if I were in the children's section of the store and had to attack someone, that would be one of my picks. Larger sizes, resembling textbooks, are more durable but also MORE EXPENSIVE!

So yeah, it all comes down to money.

The newer librarians won't believe me but I remember when our town library didn't even separate YA from Juvenile. It'd be marked on the spine and that was the end of it. Ah, the 90s.

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I definitely hate unnecessary censorship in books, just what on Earth is that supposed to accomplish with 'sanitized' versions of books?

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Yes, to ALL of this.

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I don't mind the graphic novel adaptations so much. It's no different than a movie adaptation, and it's usually more faithful to the source material. (*According to my resident Percy Jackson expert.) I think the Shakespeare versions are especially useful for my ESL high school kids, too; the series we have is almost the exact script, just used in comic book dialog bubbles.

I don't like the "young reader editions" of anything. If you're not ready for a book, you're not ready. I hate abridged editions; the language is never as good as the original. I definitely think there should be books about (e.g.,) Malala, but if you're not ready to read I am Malala, that's fine but also too bad. I just threw out the mostly horribly written abridged "children's version" of Anne of Green Gables. The kids all thought they had read Anne of Green Gables and refused to read the real one. No.

I guess that's my library/publishing pet peeve. I'm also tired of kids asking for movie novelizations (we don't have the budget to buy them when they're only going to be popular for a year and I can barely keep our nonfiction section stocked with relevant information) after I've explained why we don't have them several times.

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Sorry to butt in… I knew about the Bloomsbury editions, but what are the Scholastic "adult" cover Harry Potter books? (I collect cover variants of Sorcerer's Stone.)

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Commenting here so that you both get notified.

I investigated a little while I was at the supermarket. It's actually not a YA edition, but an "Intégrale" (for what it's worth, since the series is not complete), where the story is published in 5 books like in the US, whereas the initial French edition is in 15 books (cash cow much!!!).

Go figure why those 5 books are not in the SF/F section with the other 15. (Maybe because they're cheaper, so they're "hidden" in the YA section? Am I being too cynical here?)

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I commented below with more info. Basically, it's not a YA edition, just a cheaper one.

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Wait wait--are you in France? I feel like the GoT might conceivably wind up under YA there with less of a shocking, "Wait, what?" than in, say, the US or the UK. In my admittedly limited experience, it seems like the French have less censorship when it comes to our usual "Save the Childrens!" type stuff.

That is weird that they'd split up the original books into so many volumes like that though. I wonder why, and if it is just a money-related thing?

Unrelated: *squeeee* for your "Kings" avatar!! I've been binge-watching it the last couple weeks, and I'm loving it. (Binge-watching pretty much everything Sebastian Stan has been in, actually.)

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Heh. Yeah, I don't realistically think that would happen--didn't really at the time of that post either, it was just an interesting though experiment. Although it is very tricky to pinpoint why certain books get shelved in YA and others don't, or why they move from one category to another depending on the market.

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Yep, I'm in France, where we also have Captive Prince in the SF/F section at the supermarket, so you're right about our approach being different from the US. Though, as a kid, I already browsed the SF/F section, so they could just put all editions of GoT there and I'm sure the interested teens would find them.

They did it for Robin Hobb's books too (though maybe not in the same proportions). Sure, French is longer than English, but by 15-20%, so at worst, make 2 French books ouf of 1 US book.

I watched it way back, and Political Animals too, just because he had basically the same role as in Kings. <3

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Though, as a kid, I already browsed the SF/F section, so they could just put all editions of GoT there and I'm sure the interested teens would find them.
And then there's that, yeah. Teens can totally go find the adult books if they want to; and adults can totally read the teen books if they want to; so the category distinction seems kind of arbitrary anyway. I guess that's where we put "coming of age stories" now? Except when they're not coming of age stories? It's weird. I'm a library assistant, and even I don't understand it.

Those books are over 1000 pages each, so I can see splitting them in half. They did that on the show, at least for the last couple of seasons. And now I'm wondering if they're titled differently. Is it "A Clash of Kings, Pt. 1, Pt. 2, etc.," or does each individual volume have it's own title, or is it something else altogether?

I'm actually working on a review of "Political Animals" right now! I decided to look at several LGBT characters in various types of media, so that, "Kings," and a number of other books, shows, and movies are on my list.

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I guess it can be a decision of the author/their agent/their publisher, mixed with those factors you listed in your post. It doesn't answer to a scientific description, but intuitively, you usually have a good idea whether something is YA or not.

They're titled "Le Trône de Fer #1-15 - Subtitle". More details here if you're curious.

That sounds interesting. Adding you. :-)

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Yay--adding you back!

The YA books do have a different feel, for the most part. I guess one of the weirder aspects of it is that category, at least the way it is now, didn't exist when I was growing up. You went pretty much from Juvenile to Adult fiction, with very little in between. I mean, there were the Fear Street and Sweet Valley High books that were geared towards older kids, sure, but the massive section we have now? Definitely not the same as it was.

Which is a good thing! I love YA books. But some of them, I do wonder how they got there.

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It's true they didn't exist when I was a kid, and yet, they've existed long enough that I feel like they've always existed. Does that make sense? XD

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I'm not really bothered by the true easy reader/elementary aged reader editions of books. Obviously those have different vocabulary etc. (though now I'm wondering if we bought the Force Awakens junior novelization...I just got the Rey's Survival book and a hardcover book but it resembles more of a picture book than novelization...at least Star Wars has never changed from their usual marketing tactic LOL!

Oh and I know about how the books have the original scripts, for a long time that was the only way to read about Biggs and Luke's friendship! That and listening to the radio drama...oh I wish they would do a radio drama for TFA! That would be AWESOME!!!!!

I remember those Harry Potter books, but the text was the same (well, the same as the UK edition??? I know the first US printing of Sorcerer's Stone had some British-isms switched out, like "torch" and "trainers" but they stopped that after the third book I think?)

Well, technically YA didn't "exist" in the publishing world until the 90s, but all we had were those awful Sweet Valley High and Christopher Pike novels LOL! I remember that sad little corner of my library, mostly I think they pulled them out due to content, so much kissing/making out in the Pike novels...I remember blushing while reading them! Funny what sticks in your mind. There is a reason I went right to adult books!!

I know my YA Lit class pointed to "The Outsiders" as one of the "first" (I'm using a lot of quotes, sorry) YA books and it took awhile for the publishing world to catch on that maybe teens DO read and they could market directly to them.

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I think it is all just marketers trying to guess who they think will like a book. And many times they guess wrong or they look at content and make judgement calls. I know we've seen this with movies and also seen it go horribly wrong when the advertisers can't figure out how to pigeon hole a story.

I have a love/hate relationship with any kind of label because, in the end, I think it keeps people from experiencing things more than helping them find things.

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Yeah, I agree with you when it comes to not buying the movie novelizations. Usually they are so poorly written, churned out by some low level author and *maybe* they bother to run them through auto-correct (I remember a Buffy paperback that was apparently rampant with grammatical errors that the spellcheck didn't pick up, along with The First being capitalized throughout even if they weren't talking about the character).

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I just want to say I love this ^^^^^ There is no other social media platform I am on right now where this conversation could have happened. ***HUGS YOU GUYS***

I wonder if the split has anything to do with translating...besides the length, would it be tricky to translate a fantasy series in a timely manner? And I assume that France is getting the TV show the same time as the US? It's not something to just tie in a release with the show?

The publishing industry be CRAZY!

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I hate how search engines are done now. It's very hard to find anything from before the last five years. I finally had to go on Amazon and this is one of them:
https://amzn.com/B00E31E30A

I know they did the first three but I can't guarantee or remember if they did all seven in this manner because it didn't sell as well.

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Umm, no, I even want to pick up the British editions of the Harry Potter books because while the Americanization was less with each book...it was still there.

WOAH, turns out books published after 2004 are actually different than the originals!

(hugs my originals even being US)

http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/books/differences.html

YA not existing until the 90s makes a lot of sense with my memory then. I read ALL the Christopher Pike novels. Years later I would be thoroughly disgusted at him:
http://www.dailysabah.com/books/2014/09/07/a-cautionary-tale
Oh Pike had more than just kissing, there was...SEX! Even abortion! There was also Fear Street by R.L. Stine and some Jerry Spinelli.

I couldn't find my reading type. Everything seems good so I would basically just start at one end of the bookshelf and work my way through...even the Complete Grimm's Fairy Tales on a dare and then Hans Christian Anderson because why not? Then, I read Jurassic Park, my first adult novel and the following school year had my teacher reading Goosebumps aloud. Goosebumps #1
So, it was all her fault. I started reading all the juvenile and YA horror except for Michael Crichton, I read all of his stuff, too. I read little else until 1997 when Star Wars and Buffy took over.

I remember reading The Outsiders for school. It was okay. There was also this diary of a teenage girl who was also an alcoholic. We also watched The Outsiders which most of the girls enjoyed because of the shirtlessness and everything.

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Yeah, it's great. It's just weird to me when I see people on other platforms mention that LJ is dead. Well, sure, if they left for several years and tried to come back, their flist had probably seriously decreased in size, but if you're on it regularly, you keep meeting people and there's still a lot of activity (except in the comms).

They did it like that from the start, so I don't think it can be related to the TV show. I think maybe they're afraid that thick books wouldn't sell and it's got to be a way to make more money (maybe partly to make up for the translation costs, which are proportional to the length of the books, while the prices can be a bit higher, but most likely not in a proportional way).

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/whips out credit card

I've never seen that edition before! I don't know how I missed it. Thank you!

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