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[orangerful]

This has been a weird week - first I lose my money on Thursday, then today, someone stole my hot pocket! No joke, I went back to have lunch and it was GONE! Luckily, this branch is located in a shopping center, so I hopped over to Taco Bell. But still, who the heck steals a hotpocket? It wasn't even labeled as to what flavor it was, so they just had to chance it. So weird.

So, I finished RotS on my break, as was the plan. marmistheman and I have been discussing the novelization in the post before this one. We feel there had to be a better way to get the eternal life bit into the story. I felt it really should have been brought up in AotC. At least, Yoda's contact with Qui-Gon should have been made clear as opposed to the random "ANAKIN!" line that we hear for one second during Yoda's meditation. It all felt so tacked on, like Lucas remembered "oh crap, I can't have a million Jedi ghosts floating around, what am I going to do!".

I did like that Yoda understood what was wrong with the Jedi - that they had not adapted. While the Sith formed a new world, and new ways of fighting the Jedi, the Jedi just sat there doing the same thing they had done forever. There's a line about training to fight the last war they fought. I always felt their way of teaching was outdated, and the more I found out about it, the more I disliked it. Taking children away from their parents, pretty much brainwashing them into doing good, not because they feel good doing the right thing, but because it is the only thing. I'm surprised more Jedi hadn't fallen prior to the lost 20, since those rules were pretty strict. Anyay, I was happy that they addressed that in the book.

Anakin waking up in his Vader suit was good too, the realization that he couldn't say it wasn't him that did all those horrible things. The idea that when he destroys the lab, he's really trying to kill Palpy, but since he's no longer whole, he can't control the force the way he used to. He just gives up. That worked for me.

I started "Star Wars and Philosophy" while I was in the back too, so far it is amusing me. The first section is about prophecies and destiny. I'll let you know what I think.

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shopgirl

[jimithingy.livejournal.com]

did you know they made a movie of this already?



i was on imdb for some reason and ended up clicking though the 'six feet under' cast to see if they were making anything good... they are not, but the mom is in 'shopgirl'. i know you liked the book. unfotunately claire danes hasn't done anything good since 'my so called life', if you consider that good. that is all.

Re: shopgirl

[orangerful.livejournal.com]

I knew they were working on it, I didn't know it was finished. Comes out in October, huh? I'm not a huge Claire Danes fan. At least Steve Martin wrote the screenplay. It will probably be a rentable as the book was very "arranging matches" type stuff. And sex. Oh god, I hope they don't put the sex in there, not with Steve Martin playing the old guy...eeeeeewwwww

[persephones-rev.livejournal.com]

That's just plain wrong! Stealing your Hot Pocket... *shakes head* And, at a work setting??? What's with that person?

It all felt so tacked on...

Really? I, personally, didn't get that, but then again, I've known about Yoda's conversation for months before the film came out. And, Lucas vaguely mentions it on the AotC audio commentary, so I know he was planning it for a while. :) I loved that it was Qui-Gon that learned that trick... I think he was the only one open-minded enough and not ruled by ancient ways of thinking to figure that one out. :D

Wasn't Yoda's revelation devastating? I mean, I love the little green dude, but to see someone so powerful realize his flaws... geez... it was hard, but I'm happy he did. And, it kinda makes his whole attitude with Luke a little more understandable. (I've always felt that he was a bit eccentric with Luke.) But yeah, the Jedi life is a hard one. I think that's part of why I adore Obi-Wan and why I don't blame him for not putting Anakin out of his misery on Mustafar. I love it that he just loses it with the, 'You were the Chosen One!' speech. Anakin not only betrayed him and Padme, but he wiped out everything Obi-Wan ever knew as a family. AND, Anakin joined forces with those who took Qui-Gon from him. *sighs*

Just thinking back on Obi-Wan's reaction at the Temple, well, because it haunts me... his, 'We promised their families!' Gah! I knew he had it in him to feel love like that.

Yeah, I also was relieved to find that Anakin couldn't blame Vader. Personally, I'm happy with him suffering for the 20 years it takes Luke to meet up with him. If he didn't suffer, he wouldn't be able to learn from his mistakes. And, isn't it great that after him wanting so much power, he essentially becomes Palpy's 'bitch'. *laughs* In your face, Vader! You should've talked to Obi-Wan... you should've looked for alternatives...

[orangerful.livejournal.com]

I listened to the AotC commentary before seeing the movie, so I knew it was coming, but I really felt it should have been fleshed out, or at least brought up earlier. Maybe even just scenes of Yoda meditating and maybe having a faint murmer of Qui-Gon's voice in the background. I mean, Yoda meditates all the time, we sorta needed a hint that he had stumbled into something more.

Obi-Wan tears me up in the book and the movie. I love him even more after the book too. Because he is so...ack, I can't find the words...he really is a jedi MASTER. But he also allows himself moments of grief/happiness/love etc, which make him more human, and perhaps easier to identify with than perfect Yoda. (though at the end of RotS, I feel so sorry for my little green friend)

[persephones-rev.livejournal.com]

I can see where you're coming from. I mean, I can see how it would be a little difficult for the casual fans to grasp having not listened to the commentary. I would've loved to see Yoda's pledging himself as Qui-Gon's apprentice in the film. (That part just about broke my heart... seeing Yoda acknowledge his flaws.) It would've shown that there was more back-story to it than just a, 'By the way, Obi-Wan...'

That's what I think, too. I've felt that a lot of people forgot about how he allowed himself to feel deeply, like when he attacks Darth Maul. You can see the rage in his face, even though I'm sure Yoda would've frowned upon it. I think that's part of why I don't get so mad about him leaving Anakin to suffer. A) he's a Jedi, and he cannot strike down an unarmed combatant, and B) like they said in the book, he wasn't feeling that merciful then. He's allowed to have his bad days... he's human. He is far from perfect. *sighs* I love Obi-Wan. But yeah, I felt bad for Yoda, but at least when he realized his failures, he decided to save himself so that he can teach the others his new knowledge. I thought it was rather bittersweet. Even though he knew he failed, he still tried to make things right. Yay!

[maybemanda.livejournal.com]

eesh. i just read your posts and i think i just fried my brain trying to understand what you were talking about with the qui gon thing and yoda. it's interesting though :)
did you decide what kellogg show you want to go to? we got tickets to the earlier one. i'm excited!